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The episode features The Wizard of New Zealand and his apprentice, Ari Freeman.

The Wizard was decreed a living work of art by the NZ Art Gallery Directors’ Council, named the official Wizard of New Zealand by Prime Minister Michael Moore in in 1990, and was awarded the Queens Service Medal in 2009.

Ari Freeman is a wizard and musician and is currently writing a book grounding esoteric, magical and occult ideas within the philosophical framework of pragmatism.

We discuss the definition of magic and pragmatism, the wizards origin stories alongside romantic revivalism and the importance of love, logic, liberty and fun.

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Recorded at The Wizards Garden, Christchurch, New Zealand

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